AAX/VST3 and Apple Sillicon Support?

Daniel Bloch134 views11 posts
  • Daniel Bloch

    Just wondering what the future holds :) Will there be VST3? AAX? Apple Sillicon native?

    Thanks!

  • Fredrik Lidström

    As of today, my answer would be: hopefully not, no, and yes. But things may change. ☺️

  • Magnus Lidström

    I would like to elaborate a little on this. What we are talking about here are three new platforms. Once we take on support for a platform we never abandon it, so it is not something we take lightly.

    VST3: It's hard to motivate moving to this format since we do have a license to continue making VST2. VST2 is still more widely supported and has all the features we need. If Cubase would ditch VST2 support entirely one day I would probably take a look at making a VST3 bridge, just like I made Symbiosis for AU, so that we can continue supporting all formats with the same binaries.

    AAX: I still think the ProTools-only market is too small for our plugins for it to be worthwhile. One major obstacle is that they require us to wrap and "copy protect" our products with iLok. I hear nothing but complaints from other developers about this process (e.g. always late with support for new Apple technology etc) and it wouldn't be compatible with our own protection system. (Or our build system for that matter.)

    Native Arm: Yes! I had a prototype Arm Mac last year already and the performance gains for going native are very impressive. On the other hand, Rosetta works very well and our plugins are not exactly the most CPU hungry. Also, we are waiting for more DAWs to support native plugins. But you can expect us to support this in the future.

  • Ploki

    could we get an Arm beta by any chance (AU)?

    the thing with rosetta is that it generally works fine - but if i run logic natively to reap benefits of other plugins that are native, microtonics parameter popup overlays disappear

  • Magnus Lidström

    - Ploki wrote:
    could we get an Arm beta by any chance (AU)?
    the thing with rosetta is that it generally works fine - but if i run logic natively to reap benefits of other plugins that are native, microtonics parameter popup overlays disappear

    Oh, I didn't know this. I will check to see if there's anything I can do. I will try to get beta versions for Arm out soon, but before this happens we need to make the final x86 build of the Microtonic 3.3.2 "skin branch" and then merge this into Microtonic 3.3.3 (with Arm support and other small fixes).

  • Ploki

    yeah logic is fiddly with running wrapped plugins when native. I generally avoid it, nearly every plugin misbehaves in that mode.
    Memory leaks (Softube), GUI glitches (like the disappearing menus - voxengo had that as well), some u-he plugs Mono>Stereo capability simply stops working.

  • Magnus Lidström

    - Ploki wrote:
    could we get an Arm beta by any chance (AU)?
    the thing with rosetta is that it generally works fine - but if i run logic natively to reap benefits of other plugins that are native, microtonics parameter popup overlays disappear

    "Funny" enough, even when I build for native Arm our popups disappear. And this doesn't happen in Reaper for example. I can only conclude that something is funny with the Arm build of Logic. Maybe we need to investigate if this happens to other plugins too.

  • Magnus Lidström

    - Ploki wrote:
    GUI glitches (like the disappearing menus - voxengo had that as well)

    Is this the same problem as with Microtonic's popup hints you mean?

  • Ploki

    yes - in Voxengo case it was drop-down popups, in Microtonic it's the control value pop up.
    The issues disappears if the plugin is running in logic rosetta, so it's likely something about the host wrapper process used by M1 version of Logic.

    afaik, it was never solved, voxengo just went native.

  • Magnus Lidström

    - Ploki wrote:
    afaik, it was never solved, voxengo just went native.

    Ah, ok. Thanks. Not the same issue then, because in my case, going native didn't make any difference.

  • Ploki

    oooh can i get a beta?

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