Teenage Engineering PO-32

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  • Users avatarkarkwai

    Just saw exciting news about this. I see that microtonic transfers sounds to it via the unit's mic. Is it also possible to transfer kits and patterns?

  • Users avatarDave

    Epic

    I want two !

  • Users avatarFredrik Lidström

    Yes, the upcoming Microtonic 3.2 will have a po-32 transfer screen that you access from the new TE button in the top right corner.

    It will transfer individual sounds like you have already seen in the video

    2017-01-18_21h37_18.png


    And since that video was recorded, I have been working around the clock to finish the sounds+patterns transfer interface as well.

    2017-01-18_21h38_39.png
  • Users avatarkarkwai

    Ok, insta-buy from me!

  • Users avatarkarkwai

    I'm really curious about the optimise button, would that suggest the PO-32 is a sample based engine? If so, it would open up the opportunity to import sounds outside of microtonic?

  • Users avatarFredrik Lidström

    ah nope, it's a fully featured Microtonic drum synth engine in there. Because it runs on a low power microcontroller, it is limited to four channels (which in itself required some extreme coding wizardry from Magnus). The optimize button analyses the pattern and sounds and tries to rearrange the channels to minimize the voice stealing. While the transfer interface is visible, Microtonic will actually run in "PO-32 preview mode", limiting itself to four channels, so you can hear and tweak the result before transferring.

  • Users avatarkarkwai

    Interesting thanks. I guess that's why Dave wants two, for 8 channels of microtonic goodness :)

  • Users avatarBryan Ramirez

    What if I already own Microtonic Vst but still want to but the PO-32 initial bundle? Will I then have two licenses? Can I sell the extra license?

  • Users avatarAlexey Sobolev

    Standalone microtonic version?

    thnx

  • Users avatarkarkwai

    I'm in the same boat, bought the bundle as I couldn't wait but already have Microtonic. I'm aware licences can be resold, but wondering if possible maybe to exchange directly for another plugin such as Synplant or a voucher code to use in the store?

  • Users avatarFredrik Lidström

    - Bryan Ramirez wrote:
    What if I already own Microtonic Vst but still want to but the PO-32 initial bundle? Will I then have two licenses? Can I sell the extra license?

    The PO-32 bundle comes with a Microtonic redemption code. You can sell or give that code away to anyone.

    - karkwai wrote:
    I'm in the same boat, bought the bundle as I couldn't wait but already have Microtonic. I'm aware licences can be resold, but wondering if possible maybe to exchange directly for another plugin such as Synplant or a voucher code to use in the store?

    I can arrange that for you. Once you have the redemption code in hand, contact me through the support form and I'll set you up with Synplant.

  • Users avatarEnochLight

    I just wanted to chime in and show my appreciation for how awesome this looks (and sounds) - fantastic work @Magnus & @Fredrik!

  • Users avatarFredrik Lidström

    - Alexey Sobolev wrote:
    Standalone microtonic version?

    Yes! For Mac. We will begin beta testing shortly.

  • Users avatarkarkwai

    Excellent on the licence help, much appreciated!

  • Users avatarli chao

    but when?we are waitting for 3.2 long time,is it with a big GUI?

  • Users avatarTaupe

    just as i thought i was going to skip the pocket calculators, they come with a hardware microtonic one... 8]
    one question comes to mind: will it support Fill Rate? if yes, can it be set from the hardware too?

    thank you.

  • Users avatarAlexey Sobolev

    How about gear version of microtonic? I want! For me this device just toy but idea very powerful!!!

  • Users avatarkarkwai

    Taupe, it looks to be the same as in PO-12, you can set the fill rate.

    Manual here (step multiplier)

    https://teenage.engineering/guides/po-32/en

    What looks interesting is under "prepare sound":

    tweak a sound in microtonic (knob A on PO-32 tonic represents pitch, knob B represents morph) and press [the TE logo] on the interface to prepare for transfer.

    Does the hardware replicate the morphing slider in Microtonic? So I could transfer a sound with B set to 0 and another sound with B to full to the same destination, it will allow you the morph between those two sounds? If so, that's just brilliant.

  • Users avatarTaupe

    thanks Karkwai. Fill rate is important to me :)

    I guess you saw the sound transfer video (snippet)??

    b.t.w that is a great looking and clear user manual!

    could not find nothing about 'step trigger' though...

  • Users avatarkarkwai

    My mistake, "step multiplier" under section 4.

    Yep seen the sound transfer video :)

  • Users avatarkarkwai

    Ok just watched the sonic state vid, PO-32 has the same morphing capability as the plugin. That is just awesome.

    At around 3.20 mark.

    YouTube Video
  • Users avatarTaupe

    AH! and i thought that Transfer video was all there was for now...:)
    [get's popcorn]

  • Users avatarFredrik Lidström

    YouTube Video

    patternarium to microtonic to po-32 transfer.
  • Users avatarTaupe

    smoooth

  • Users avatarTaupe

    can it be contolled by controller? midi in??

    would be good to benefit from those mini-jack midi ports for the first time ey?
    ;)

  • Users avatarFredrik Lidström

    sorry, no it cannot, the line in jack follows the same standard as the rest of the pocket operator range, with audio through / sync.

  • Users avatarTaupe

    I found that some folks have it working, but I am afraid that is way far out of my comfort zone...
    https://www.operator-1.com/index.php?p=/discussion/1277/diy-midi-for-pocket-operator-control

  • Users avatarFredrik Lidström

    Haha, that's cool, but something completely different. He has wired up the actual buttons on the PO, to an own Arduino micro controller, so that he can simulate key presses from MIDI data.

  • Users avatarTaupe

    Yes you are right. I missed that.
    But i think a saw it work in another, simular, hacked environment, with a beatstep.

    edit: yet, midi have to be implemented in the first place, I realized later 8]

  • Users avatarTaupe

    I look forward to a better listen to the effects.

  • Users avatarFredrik Lidström

    Did you see these already?

    YouTube Video
    YouTube Video
    YouTube Video
  • Users avatarEnochLight

    So, I get that part of Teenage Engineering's "thing" is the quirkiness of the LCD readouts, but... I never got the displays of their pocket line of stuff. It seems like a wasted opportunity to offer meaningful display feedback on parameters. Instead, it's an animated cartoon that conveys very little useful information (IMHO). Am I the only one bothered by this?? Is there a reason why they don't offer a more traditional display?

  • Users avatarFredrik Lidström

    In my opinion, It does give it character and fit the design concept very well. I spent a day doing segment animations, it was good fun. There is some good feedback in there, Mr.Angry slams his fist in the table when you play snare drums for example! Jokes aside, yes, I see your point. I did not really understand any of the PO displays either. =)

    On the tonic you have parameter read outs on pitch and morph; and Magnus did a good job utilising the number display (with some text hints) and button LEDs as well. Because of the screen not being backlit, POs were ment to be able to run without a display (like in live situations). It's limited, yes, but then again, our plugins don't usually rely on displays.

  • Users avatarEnochLight

    Fair enough. I do think the display of the OP-1 is pretty cool. What you say makes sense about the pocket line - but I'll need to spend some actual time with them. I plan to order the PO-32 once its available solo (I already own Microtonic).

  • Users avatarBDub

    I'm really excited about getting the new PO-32 Tonic! Any chance there might be an iOS app in the future that allows us to quickly transfer patterns/sounds from Patternarium tracks directly to the PO-32? That way we can mess around on the go without a laptop.

  • Users avatarDC0

    I just ordered the PO-32 pre-launch bundle with Microtonic.

    I saw one YouTube interview with Magnus at NAMM 2017 where he said that currently it is not possible to send patterns and sounds from the PO-32 back into Microtonic. He said there were many challenges to overcome.

    That feature, if ever developed, would make it possible for me to adopt a new workflow of carrying the PO-32 with me wherever I go, create new patterns while bored (on the bus, in the line at the coffee shop, etc.) and then import the same patterns back into Microtonic and then through Microtonic to a MIDI editor. That would be a HUGE boon for my creative process. Rather than browsing news sites on a smartphone for an hour on the bus, I could be writing patterns, intending to import the best patterns into my laptop-based MIDI editor.

    If that PO-32-to-Microtonic transfer is impossible, well, it would be awesome to have Teenage Engineering write a simple standalone utility that can hear the modem-like sounds and convert it to a MIDI file for import into any MIDI editor.

    Here's hoping something like this happens soon!

  • Users avatarBDub

    And if the transfer protocol could be made open source, I'm sure it would only take a weekend for someone to take an arduino/photon/rasberrypi/computer/etc.. and create something that will decode the sounds.

  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    I've been toying with the idea of a PO32->MIDI file converter too as an alternative to full integration into Microtonic, but again, feature-wise Microtonic is not quite on par with the PO-32 (with per-channel morphs etc). After the 3.2 launch I'll see if I can make all of this fit on the roadmap for Microtonic somehow, but no promises. It won't be easy, to the point where it could even make more sense to branch off Microtonic for PO-32 entirely. Which isn't ideal either of course.

  • Users avatarDC0

    Understood--no promises. Thanks for considering this request, and thanks for collaborating to make the PO-32 in the first place. (I was not interested in buying any PO models until the PO-32 came out. When I saw the demo of the Microtonic->PO-32 at NAMM 2017, I was sold immediately.)

    I think that people will still be very happy with an imperfect solution for getting beats made on the PO-32 back into either Microtonic or MIDI file versus no solution at all. It may be better for it to start off as a standalone utility so that you can put a big, bold disclaimer on it saying: use this at your own risk, it's in alpha, here are the limitations, and you should not expect this utility to ever be improved.

    This should set user expectations properly so that they aren't complaining about why it can't do this or that.

    Think about it this way. If you were to publish the modem-sound specification only, some clever volunteer would almost immediately write a standalone 3rd party utility to export from the PO-32. Users of this utility would be happy it existed and would not complain, knowing that the utility is better than nothing.

    Keeping the utility separate means that you can gauge its success and demand for feature upgrades before deciding whether to make it a part of Microtonic or perhaps branch it off (and probably re-brand it).

  • Users avatargriotspeak

    I agree that some 'imperfect' means of getting patterns back from the PO-32 is better than none. I preordered one immediately with the hope that I could toy around with it at work or on a plane as and then pull it back onto the computer somehow. I understand that you never promised that so it's my own issue if you never deliver but PLEASE IT WOULD BE GREAT.

  • Users avatarNiklas Backlund

    I received my PO-32 in the mail today! However, I can't seem to register my Microtonic license... The license card refers to the URL soniccharge.com/tonicnow, but that doesn't seem to be working.

    I also downloaded Microtonic and tried to register it via the Authorizer, but it says there are no products in my account, probably because I didn't buy it directly from SC?

    What's the suggested way forward?

  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    Hej Niklas. Oj. Det var snabbt utskickat! Meningen var att PO-32 skulle skickas ut först imorgon, så sidan öppnas inte förrän då. Vänligen titta tillbaka imorgon. Då ska Microtonic 3.2 finnas där.

  • Users avatarNiklas Backlund

    OK, det förklarar saken! Tack! :-)

  • Users avatarGeorge Percy

    Hey,

    Got my PO-32 through today and really excited to use it with Microtonic.

    However, I've run into a bit of a snag with using the transfer to the PO-32 option.

    I've had to use the 3.1 version for the RTAS, as I am still operating on Snow Leopard and Lion, and can't update or I'll have to buy all the software again. Is there a standalone program that can be used on these OS to interpret the data and that produces the sound?

  • Users avatarDC0

    Hi, George--

    You'll need to install Microtonic 3.2 somehow for transfers from Microtonic to the PO-32. What do you mean "can't update?" Do you mean you can't update your operating system (due to software other than MIcrotonic), or you can't update Microtonic itself?

  • Users avatarGeorge Percy

    Due to software other than microtonic. Some weird old RTAS ambisonic stuff I use that can't function within Pro Tools 11 as there are no AAX versions of the plug ins.

    There is nothing wrong with the microtonic software update at all, it's just I am unable to open it as the most up to date OS I use is Lion.

    Apologies if I'm not being clear.

  • Users avatarDC0

    Ohhh, that makes sense. In that case, I guess Microtonic 3.2 is written requiring some libraries/packages that Mac OS X Snow Leopard and Lion do not have. Or maybe, if you're lucky, just the installer has this restriction and Microtonic 3.2 itself can still run on older Mac OS X versions.

  • Users avatarGeorge Percy

    Thanks DC0

    Unfortunately, I'm not so lucky.

    Installer works fine, but the lovely grey no access/no open sign comes up on the Lion OS.

    I'll have to try and figure something out.

  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    Standalone requires 10.8, but VST ought to run in 10.6 even(?). You could try with VSTLord maybe? http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Audio/VSTLord.shtml

  • Users avatarDC0

    Just got my PO-32 today and love it.
    The backup-to-audio-recording feature is awesome even if one cannot yet convert the modem sounds to MIDI or Microtonic.
    I am writing beats/patterns much more quickly on this than on my Ableton Push, even though the Push has the same grid-based step sequencing input method. The primary difference is that the PO-32's sounds, steps, and channels are constrained; one can easily get absorbed searching through libraries via Ableton.
    For now I am reproducing the beats I wrote on the PO-32 in the Ableton Live MIDI editor with a mouse in drawing mode. I use the backup feature so that I can go back later, pick the best beats, and try to reproduce the sounds and parameter changes using Microtonic as a plugin into Ableton Live.

  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    For now I am reproducing the beats I wrote on the PO-32 in the Ableton Live MIDI editor with a mouse in drawing mode. I use the backup feature so that I can go back later, pick the best beats, and try to reproduce the sounds and parameter changes using Microtonic as a plugin into Ableton Live.

    Cool! I'm very interested in hearing how the PO-32 will fit with people's workflow. Is it difficult to reproduce the patterns in Live? Did you find the .mtdrum files for the PO-32 factory patches in the factory sounds folder?

  • Users avatarDC0

    It's very easy to reproduce the basic beat patterns in Live. What I do is hold the sound button and look at the LED grid to see which sounds were used, then look at each sound's LED grid to draw the same beat pattern in Live's MIDI editor.

    That said, I have not started attempting to replicate any of the parameter changes controlled by the two encoder knobs on the PO-32. That may turn out to be difficult.

    No, I didn't even know the .mtdrum files existed. Thanks--I will look for those!

  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    That said, I have not started attempting to replicate any of the parameter changes controlled by the two encoder knobs on the PO-32. That may turn out to be difficult.

    This is what I fear too. Morph in Microtonic is global for all channels and the pitch knob changes all frequency sliders on top of the morph, which isn't really possible in Microtonic either. Add effects to this and well... there is a reason why I haven't solved transfers from PO-32 back to Microtonic. :)

    No, I didn't even know the .mtdrum files existed. Thanks--I will look for those!

    They are in their own folder, "PO32 Factory Patches" under "By Category" in the factory drum patches folder.

  • Users avatarDC0

    Maybe there is some way to convincingly simulate the encoder knobs in Microtonic...

    Thanks for the tip on the factory patches--this is awesome!

  • Users avatarJa_mie

    got mine today- lovely collaboration thanks for putting this out!

    i'm assuming since not mentioned in the manual that it's not possible to adjust pattern length at this point (aside from chaining), but thought i'd inquire and/or mention it for consideration for some future update.

    thanks again!

  • Users avatarPatbos

    Awesome, I love it!

    Just one thing I wish for: Retina resolution on the plugin. It's very grainy right now :-/

  • Users avatarDC0

    Follow up on the PO-32->Microtonic workflow.

    For the rotary encoders, I am basically going in and trying to recreate the sound by ear. In Microtonic, I start with the factory sound patches and then mess around trying to match what I hear coming out of the PO-32 in Microtonic. But because I don't understand exactly how the rotary encoders work under-the-hood, it is mostly guesswork.

    I suppose that with enough time and experimentation, I would be able to form general rules of thumb on what each bar on each rotary encoder means per sound and map out a result.

    For instance, let's say that every rotary encoder bar is discrete. With 9 bars (8 visible bars plus a zero bar) for each of 2 encoders, that makes for 81 combinations of encoder settings. I could then map out 81 combinations per 16 factory sounds = 1296 total sounds. If I knew the settings in Microtonic to reproduce the sound for each of those 1296 sounds, I could save the entire set and essentially be able to reproduce any sound written on the PO-32 near-perfectly, or at least close enough.

    Or am I missing something? (Certainly, the FX 1-16 effects are not in my current model, but am I missing something with the encoder knobs?)

    (Obviously I would not go and create 1296 sounds by hand. If there are rules-of-thumb or actual formulas to follow, it could be easier to create a batch of 9 sounds together in a "sweep" of one encoder. Right now the struggle is that apparently one encoder knob does not correspond just to one single control in Microtonic--it appears to encompass multiple controls. The LFO sound (snd 4) is turning out to be a great way to try to reverse engineer the rotary encoders.)

  • Users avatarkarkwai

    Knob B on the unit is the morph slider in the VST. The morph slider allows you to morph from one sound to another.

    In the VST, morph slider affects all 8 sounds simultaneously in the VST. Whilst the knob only affects each sound independently.

    I think knob A affects pitch/frequency, I'm not sure without further testing, I think 4 bars is the original pitch.

  • Users avatarFredrik Lidström

    If you are talking about Knob B it is a direct mapping of the morph slider. Try loading the PO32 factory sounds on the left and right side of the morph. Here is a short example.

    2017-02-08_11h24_05.mp4


    As Magnus already mentioned, the morph is global in Microtonic. So to replicate it from the Tonic, I think the easiest would be to run a separate instance of Microtonic for each of the 4 Tonic channels and turn on choke.

    Edit: Oh, karkwai, you were faster. =)

  • Users avatarManknus Lidstrunt

    Knob A always adjusts oscillator, noise and equalizer frequency. Full range is 1/4 of the corresponding slider in Microtonic if I remember correctly. Knob setting 50 is +/-0. (Hold down a step and turn a knob to see its exact value.)

  • Users avatarDC0

    This is awesome! Thanks, karkwai, Fredrik, and Magnus!

    Thanks, Fredrik for the tip to run separate instances of Microtonic--that never would have occurred to me.

    And your descriptions of the knobs means there is a formulaic way to approach this, rather than slogging through the discrete bars' combinations approach.

  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    Haha. "Manknus Lidstrunt" is not my real name. ;) I answered that when logged on with my test user and didn't see it until now.

  • Users avatarDC0

    LOL--I wondered if that was you!

  • Users avatarfabian l.

    Hi,

    It is with great pleasure that i discover Microtonic.

    The transfer system and collaboration with Pocket operator is simply awesome,
    i hope that other projects are planned for the future. :)

    If I could ask for one thing, it would be an "eq"

    Proficiat

    Fabian

  • Users avatarBrandon McGarvey

    I just received my PO-32 and I love it. I am about to start tinkering with Microtonic. I downloaded Savihost so that I can run Microtonic on my laptop just for making new sounds. I have Cubase on my main PC, but the laptop is more convenient. I have a couple questions for the Sonic Charge team.

    1) Can I activate Microtonic on both of my computers? Now that I have it, I will probably use it with my DAW, in addition to the PO-32. I am not big on software instruments, but a nice drum synth/sequencer VST is something I could actually use in my setup.
    2) Do you have the "factory patches" for the PO-32 that can be loaded and transferred back to the PO-32? Not a big deal, but I like the included sounds and may want to revert back to them after I play around with creating my own. May sound silly, but just wondering.
    EDIT: Nevermind. I just saw in Microtonic that you can Ctrl+Click in the transfer tool to reset to the factory sound. NICE!

    One other thing, if you are open to suggestions. Would an iOS version of Microtonic be possible? I was thinking how convenient it would be to just go to my iPad or iPhone to transfer patches to the PO-32.

  • Users avatarZach Miller

    I think that the Morph feature really shows the true power of Microtonic, but it could be even more awesome if panning would also transfer to the PO-32. Is something like this possible? It would be amazing to get a wider stereo vibe out of the pocket operator using left/right panning with the morph control :)

  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    - Zach Miller wrote:
    I think that the Morph feature really shows the true power of Microtonic, but it could be even more awesome if panning would also transfer to the PO-32. Is something like this possible? It would be amazing to get a wider stereo vibe out of the pocket operator using left/right panning with the morph control :)

    Sorry, no, the PO-32 is monophonic like its predecessors so it ignores the pan knob and the stereo switch. I had hoped to make it the first stereo Pocket Operator but CPU budget was extremely tight so I had to sacrifice that.

    You need to buy two PO-32's. :)

  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    - Brandon McGarvey wrote:
    2) Do you have the "factory patches" for the PO-32 that can be loaded and transferred back to the PO-32? Not a big deal, but I like the included sounds and may want to revert back to them after I play around with creating my own. May sound silly, but just wondering.

    I saw you found that ctrl/cmd-clicking instrument buttons reset their sounds, but if you are still interested int the factory drum patches they are indeed installed with Microtonic 3.2. Check PO32 Factory Patches under By Category.

    One other thing, if you are open to suggestions. Would an iOS version of Microtonic be possible? I was thinking how convenient it would be to just go to my iPad or iPhone to transfer patches to the PO-32.

    I agree. It would be possible for us to port Microtonic to iOS course, but not easy. It is unlikely that just the two of us (Fredrik and me) could manage it. Taking in another programmer is not out of the question of course, but it would mean that the profits from iOS should sustain his/her salary. Co-developing it with an outside developer is another possibility, but unfortunately development rarely ends after the first launch. Apple has been very good at keeping us busy with OS X updates and I am certain iOS would not be any different, plus the fact that we will continue to update Microtonic as we have done for 13 years now.

    I am not ruling out Sonic Charge on iPhones and iPads in the future but as you hear there are some obstacles and it is not something that we are planning as our next endeavor.

  • Users avatarBrandon McGarvey

    - Magnus Lidström wrote:
    I agree. It would be possible for us to port Microtonic to iOS course, but not easy. It is unlikely that just the two of us (Fredrik and me) could manage it. Taking in another programmer is not out of the question of course, but it would mean that the profits from iOS should sustain his/her salary. Co-developing it with an outside developer is another possibility, but unfortunately development rarely ends after the first launch. Apple has been very good at keeping us busy with OS X updates and I am certain iOS would not be any different, plus the fact that we will continue to update Microtonic as we have done for 13 years now.
    I am not ruling out Sonic Charge on iPhones and iPads in the future but as you hear there are some obstacles and it is not something that we are planning as our next endeavor.

    I understand. Thanks.

  • Users avatarJesse Weston

    Got my PO-32 and MicroTonic yesterday, and am liking it a lot. Good stuff!

    One idea came to mind: What about online patch transfer? I mean specifically without needing the VST. Because all that is required to transfer a patch is sound, correct? A web page where people could go to preview patches, then transfer them if desired would be useful to a certain degree, as people would not be anchored to their desktop. If they are out and about, or for whatever reason don't have access to Microtonic, they could just go online and update their PO-32 with some fresh sounds. Just an idea.

  • Users avatarDC0

    It should be pretty easy to do cloud-based transfers of patterns already using 3rd party sound hosting sites like SoundCloud, etc. Just post up the playback audio of the pattern and then the modem audio of the pattern together as a pair. I'll bet people will start doing just that on their own.

  • Users avatarDon Turner

    Just wanted to say how awesome it would be to be able to transfer patterns from the PO-32 to microtonic, the workflow would be amazing, being able to make beats on the move, then seamlessly add them into an Ableton Live session for further tweakery.

    Any idea on if/when this might be implemented?

  • Users avatarJan Henckell

    I am sorry to ask this in this forum but does pushing the encoders on the PO-32 have any function?

  • Users avatarBichuelo Audiotecna

    I don't think they're encoders, just simple potentiometers: https://www.teenageengineering.com/guides/po-32/en#microtonic

  • Users avatarJohn Ghadimi

    I have not been able to get the transfer working properly!! I keep putting it in receive mode. I constantly get the Err message, and sometimes it just stays in receive mode without accepting anything. Not sure what I'm doing wrong. I thought it was as simple as putting the microphone close to the speaker. Appreciate any help.

  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    @John Ghadimi : it should absolutely be as simple as that. When you enter receive mode do you see the LEDs light up like a VU-meter? Does it look like the PO-32 is getting a strong good signal?

    Does it work If you use a 3.5 mm cable from the computer to the PO-32 input instead?

  • Users avatarJohn Ghadimi

    - Magnus Lidström wrote:
    @John Ghadimi : it should absolutely be as simple as that. When you enter receive mode do you see the LEDs light up like a VU-meter? Does it look like the PO-32 is getting a strong good signal?
    Does it work If you use a 3.5 mm cable from the computer to the PO-32 input instead?

    Hi Magnus. Will have to investigate the cable tonight, and possibly an external sound source (and not the laptop speakers). What do you mean by the PO-32 getting a strong signal? How would I verify that? is there a visual cue for that?

  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    Hi Magnus. Will have to investigate the cable tonight, and possibly an external sound source (and not the laptop speakers).

    All laptop speakers that I have tried have worked fine. Are you using the standalone version of Microtonic or VST in a DAW? If in a DAW, make sure there is no effect on Microtonic when you are transmitting.

    What do you mean by the PO-32 getting a strong signal? How would I verify that? is there a visual cue for that?

    Yeah, the 16 button LEDs light up to show the signal strength.

  • Users avatarJohn Ghadimi

    - Magnus Lidström wrote:
    Hi Magnus. Will have to investigate the cable tonight, and possibly an external sound source (and not the laptop speakers).
    All laptop speakers that I have tried have worked fine. Are you using the standalone version of Microtonic or VST in a DAW? If in a DAW, make sure there is no effect on Microtonic when you are transmitting.
    What do you mean by the PO-32 getting a strong signal? How would I verify that? is there a visual cue for that?
    Yeah, the 16 button LEDs light up to show the signal strength.

    Worked like a charm. I realized my issue was sound volume. I had to crank it up full blast so I could get a good signal strength.

    Wanted to know if there is ANY way to sync it with a DAW like Reason? For now, I just set the BPM manually and record it as a loop.

    Thanks again for the assistance. Love my new toy 😃😃😃

  • Users avatarBichuelo Audiotecna

    You can record the click when the PO-32 is set as master; SY1 on the left channel to your computer. Then load it in a sampler and send it to a dedicated audio channel, play it in 1/8th notes and set your PO-32 to SY2

    check all the details in the user guide, its very easy to set it up!

  • Users avatarJack Pimiento

    - Jesse Weston wrote:
    Got my PO-32 and MicroTonic yesterday, and am liking it a lot. Good stuff!
    One idea came to mind: What about online patch transfer? I mean specifically without needing the VST. Because all that is required to transfer a patch is sound, correct? A web page where people could go to preview patches, then transfer them if desired would be useful to a certain degree, as people would not be anchored to their desktop. If they are out and about, or for whatever reason don't have access to Microtonic, they could just go online and update their PO-32 with some fresh sounds. Just an idea.

    I'm interested in this as well. There seems to be lots of talk about this but no one seems to be able to actually confirm if it's possible. I imagine that the purpose of the transfer feature is to shift more units of microtonic software rather than being people being able to share kits and sounds.

    Can anyone (ie the designer of microtonic) advise if this recording of sound files and transefer to the PO32 actually works without the microtonice software?

  • Users avatarJohn Ghadimi

    Thanks for the reply. I'm a bit confused/lost in the wiring of this and how things get back into and out of the PO in my DAW. I did hear the audible click-track as you mentioned below, but that's where I lose the process.

    - Bichuelo Audiotecna wrote:
    You can record the click when the PO-32 is set as master; SY1 on the left channel to your computer. Then load it in a sampler and send it to a dedicated audio channel, play it in 1/8th notes and set your PO-32 to SY2
    check all the details in the user guide, its very easy to set it up!
  • Users avatarBichuelo Audiotecna

    - John Ghadimi wrote:
    Thanks for the reply. I'm a bit confused/lost in the wiring of this and how things get back into and out of the PO in my DAW. I did hear the audible click-track as you mentioned below, but that's where I lose the process.
    - Bichuelo Audiotecna wrote:
    You can record the click when the PO-32 is set as master; SY1 on the left channel to your computer. Then load it in a sampler and send it to a dedicated audio channel, play it in 1/8th notes and set your PO-32 to SY2
    check all the details in the user guide, its very easy to set it up!

    You shouldn't hear them. Send the click from the third output to the input of the PO, if you have a multichannel soundcard, or if you don't have one, I'm afraid you would have to send them through the right channel and use the left to hear you mix, forcing you to a mono output

  • Users avatarJohn Ghadimi

    - Bichuelo Audiotecna wrote:
    - John Ghadimi wrote:
    Thanks for the reply. I'm a bit confused/lost in the wiring of this and how things get back into and out of the PO in my DAW. I did hear the audible click-track as you mentioned below, but that's where I lose the process.
    - Bichuelo Audiotecna wrote:
    You can record the click when the PO-32 is set as master; SY1 on the left channel to your computer. Then load it in a sampler and send it to a dedicated audio channel, play it in 1/8th notes and set your PO-32 to SY2
    check all the details in the user guide, its very easy to set it up!
    You shouldn't hear them. Send the click from the third output to the input of the PO, if you have a multichannel soundcard, or if you don't have one, I'm afraid you would have to send them through the right channel and use the left to hear you mix, forcing you to a mono output

    Thank you for the responses. Just to confirm and clarify it in my head, does this attached diagram capture the steps and set up you are describing?

    **addendum** I spent some time today routing all of this and no luck whatsoever. I am sending the click sound through a discreet audio channel into the PO after setting it to SY2. After sending that click track sound, nothing happens on the PO and it does not sync and start playback.

    PO_sync.jpg
  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    Can anyone (ie the designer of microtonic) advise if this recording of sound files and transefer to the PO32 actually works without the microtonice software?

    It absolutely does. You can easily bounce the audio from Microtonic when you make a transfer to create such a sound file. Or you can record the audio output from the PO-32 after pressing [write]+[sound]. The modem signal withstands MP3 compression and I've successfully uploaded and downloaded data dumps on Soundcloud.

  • Users avatarBichuelo Audiotecna

    - Magnus Lidström wrote:
    Can anyone (ie the designer of microtonic) advise if this recording of sound files and transefer to the PO32 actually works without the microtonice software?
    It absolutely does. You can easily bounce the audio from Microtonic when you make a transfer to create such a sound file. Or you can record the audio output from the PO-32 after pressing [write]+[sound]. The modem signal withstands MP3 compression and I've successfully uploaded and downloaded data dumps on Soundcloud.

    Are there any banks already for download in Soundcloud? Is there a hashtag used to identify them?

  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    Are there any banks already for download in Soundcloud? Is there a hashtag used to identify them?

    Not that I am aware of. I intend to release a few myself that I am working on at the moment (both as .mtpresets and PO-32 dumps). You should bear in mind that the first batch of PO-32s without Microtonic just shipped a couple of weeks ago, so up until now everyone with PO-32 has also got Microtonic and they have had plenty of sounds to explore with Patternarium etc.

  • Users avatarJack Pimiento

    Magnus Lidström I intend to release a few myself that I am working on at the moment (both as .mtpresets and PO-32 dumps).

    Great that there will be some new PO32 sounds soon. Also great to hear that the sound transfer works with a simple audio file. Although having said that I'm thoroughly enjoying the PO32 as is anyway.

    Thanks!

  • Users avatarBichuelo Audiotecna

    - John Ghadimi wrote:
    - Bichuelo Audiotecna wrote:
    - John Ghadimi wrote:
    Thanks for the reply. I'm a bit confused/lost in the wiring of this and how things get back into and out of the PO in my DAW. I did hear the audible click-track as you mentioned below, but that's where I lose the process.
    - Bichuelo Audiotecna wrote:
    You can record the click when the PO-32 is set as master; SY1 on the left channel to your computer. Then load it in a sampler and send it to a dedicated audio channel, play it in 1/8th notes and set your PO-32 to SY2
    check all the details in the user guide, its very easy to set it up!
    You shouldn't hear them. Send the click from the third output to the input of the PO, if you have a multichannel soundcard, or if you don't have one, I'm afraid you would have to send them through the right channel and use the left to hear you mix, forcing you to a mono output
    Thank you for the responses. Just to confirm and clarify it in my head, does this attached diagram capture the steps and set up you are describing?
    *addendum* I spent some time today routing all of this and no luck whatsoever. I am sending the click sound through a discreet audio channel into the PO after setting it to SY2. After sending that click track sound, nothing happens on the PO and it does not sync and start playback.

    Make sure you send a really hot signal to the PO, that is the most usual problem

  • Users avatarJohn Ghadimi

    - Bichuelo Audiotecna wrote:
    - John Ghadimi wrote:
    - Bichuelo Audiotecna wrote:
    - John Ghadimi wrote:
    Thanks for the reply. I'm a bit confused/lost in the wiring of this and how things get back into and out of the PO in my DAW. I did hear the audible click-track as you mentioned below, but that's where I lose the process.
    - Bichuelo Audiotecna wrote:
    You can record the click when the PO-32 is set as master; SY1 on the left channel to your computer. Then load it in a sampler and send it to a dedicated audio channel, play it in 1/8th notes and set your PO-32 to SY2
    check all the details in the user guide, its very easy to set it up!
    You shouldn't hear them. Send the click from the third output to the input of the PO, if you have a multichannel soundcard, or if you don't have one, I'm afraid you would have to send them through the right channel and use the left to hear you mix, forcing you to a mono output
    Thank you for the responses. Just to confirm and clarify it in my head, does this attached diagram capture the steps and set up you are describing?
    *addendum* I spent some time today routing all of this and no luck whatsoever. I am sending the click sound through a discreet audio channel into the PO after setting it to SY2. After sending that click track sound, nothing happens on the PO and it does not sync and start playback.

    Make sure you send a really hot signal to the PO, that is the most usual problem

    EXCELLENT! thank you. Good to go. :)

  • Users avatarJordan Sitkin

    @Magnus I'd love to add some PO-32 / microtonic specific features to https://op1.fun. Please let me know if there is any public info on the patch encoding!

  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    - Jordan Sitkin wrote:
    @Magnus I'd love to add some PO-32 / microtonic specific features to https://op1.fun. Please let me know if there is any public info on the patch encoding!

    Nice site! Would be awesome to have PO-32 stuff there. But what information are you looking for exactly? If you are wondering about the transfer features they are pretty deep and convoluted. It probably took half the development time of the PO-32 to get it working.

    The modem signal is a proprietary phase shift keying designed to work well with acoustic transfers (could not find much established research on this subject so I rolled my own). The data transmitted is again a proprietary protocol of encrypted (actually for maximizing bit enthropy for the acoustic signal) and error checked commands which contains (again) proprietary and PO-32 adapted Microtonic parameter data, patterns etc...

    It's a lot of work to create something that decodes all this. To be honest I haven't even written a decoder myself yet that runs on anything but the Cortex on the Pocket Operator ;)

    But tell me more of what you are interested in and I'll see if I can find a way to help you.

  • Users avatarJordan Sitkin

    @magnus thanks! Sounds like there are two parts to this. Maybe I'm making it more complicated than it needs to be :)

    1) I'd like to let users preview PO-32 patches on the site in the same way they can with OP-1 drum patches, by playing an MP3 preview of the AIFF patch. Of course, that's easy with the OP-1 as the patch is just audio with some metadata. I suppose to do this with microtonic/PO-32 I would need some way of generating a preview from a patch file. Would it be possible to run an instance of the microtonic VST on the server and script it to create these previews? Would that be allowed under your terms?

    2) Writing a new encoder/decoder for the modem signal sounds like a big challenge. Would it be possible to run the decoding & decrypting functions on an ARM Cortex emulator like QEMU? That would have the extra benefit of keeping your protocols private, but I don't know how much work would be involved in extracting the relevant code and getting it to run in QEMU.

    To be clear, even without either of these things I could allow op1.fun users to save/restore PO-32 patches on the site since its just audio after all. So it might be that #2 is unnecessary.

    I haven't actually used the PO-32 or microtonic yet, so let me know if I'm going about this in a strange way.

    Thanks!

  • Users avatarTim La

    Hey guys,

    I have a question. How much db is your input in your DAW?
    Mine is at about 24db and I always think it's too quiet.
    But raising the Volume gives me really fast a nasty noise.
    Am I just dumb and doing something wrong?
    Po-32 tonic plugged into the 2nd Input of my cakewalk ua25ex with a 3.5mm cable.

  • Users avatarjabok r

    is the bundle still available? am i just too stupid to find it?

  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    - jabok r wrote:
    is the bundle still available? am i just too stupid to find it?

    Not at the moment, sorry. Teenage are working on bringing back a bundle to their shop soon. Until then we can offer a discount on Microtonic to Tonic owners: https://soniccharge.com/forum/topic/951-po-32-redemption-code

  • Users avatarEnochLight

    I find that I wear my PO-32 like a necklace... almost everyday at my office job LOL! It's so nice to be able to start banging out a beat as I walk though the park on lunch.

  • Users avatarioai

    Hi! Is there a way to transfer a pattern from Patternariun to PO32 with ipad?

  • Users avatarMagnus Lidström

    - ioai wrote:
    Hi! Is there a way to transfer a pattern from Patternariun to PO32 with ipad?

    Short answer: no.

    Long answer: Patternarium generate beats for Microtonic. While PO-32 and Microtonic are very similar their features do not overlap 100%. To transfer patterns from Patternarium to PO-32 you need to copy & paste them into Microtonic, then either manually edit them to get four PO-32 compatible voices only or use the automatic "optimize for PO-32" function.

    Finally, Patternarium isn't compatible with iPad at the moment because it was built with Flash (about seven years ago IIRC). A HTML only version is quite high on our priority list right now.

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